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Offline WaffleHouse

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Removing seat when latch is not working?
« on: Jul 19, 2022, 02.33 AM »
I had a problem with my seat not latching, so I messed with it and now
I cannot open it with the key regardless of my effort---wiggling & such.
Does anybody have experience getting past the latch? It seems that even removing the plastic around the seat requires that the seat be removed first.
And it probably doesn't help that I have a luggage rack installed.  If I could just hear that it is POSSIBLE, I would feel better.  :021:
Thank you.

Offline Resident Weevil

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Re: Removing seat when latch is not working?
« Reply #1 on: Jul 19, 2022, 03.19 PM »
Bloody hell Waffers, what is it with you and keys?  :745:
You might have some luck if you take off the tank. To take off the tank, first remove the sea... Oh.  :034:
Seriously I hope you get sorted. I've just had a look under my seat and I got nothing, sorry. Good luck bud, let us know how you get on.

Offline Fraenkyzuma

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Re: Removing seat when latch is not working?
« Reply #2 on: Jul 19, 2022, 05.42 PM »
Hallo,

Wirklich ein Problem !

Wenn der Bowdenzug gerissen oder die Schliessmechanik defekt ist kommt man an den Mechanismus nicht mehr ran ohne den Sitz zu zerstören. Den Tank kann man nicht mehr abnehmen da unter dem Sitz zwei Schrauben für die Tankhalterung angeordnet sind. Von unten und von der Seite ist kein Zugang möglich.

Ich sehe da leider nach Ansehen des Mechanismus keine Lösung, vielleicht weiß jemand anderes noch eine.

Viel Glück und Gruß von Frank

Offline Fraenkyzuma

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Re: Removing seat when latch is not working?
« Reply #3 on: Jul 19, 2022, 08.09 PM »
So sieht das unverkleidet aus, ich hoffe, das Foto hängt dran.

Offline WaffleHouse

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Re: Removing seat when latch is not working?
« Reply #4 on: Jul 19, 2022, 09.17 PM »
*Originally Posted by Fraenkyzuma [+]
Hallo,

Wirklich ein Problem !

Wenn der Bowdenzug gerissen oder die Schliessmechanik defekt ist kommt man an den Mechanismus nicht mehr ran ohne den Sitz zu zerstören. Den Tank kann man nicht mehr abnehmen da unter dem Sitz zwei Schrauben für die Tankhalterung angeordnet sind. Von unten und von der Seite ist kein Zugang möglich.

Ich sehe da leider nach Ansehen des Mechanismus keine Lösung, vielleicht weiß jemand anderes noch eine.

Viel Glück und Gruß von Frank

I know all of you Europeans speak five or so languages, but for those that don't a translator application came up with:

Hello,

Really a problem!

If the Bowden cable snaps or the locking mechanism is defective, you can no longer access the mechanism without destroying the seat. The tank can no longer be removed because there are two screws for the tank holder under the seat. Access is not possible from below or from the side.

Unfortunately, after looking at the mechanism, I don't see a solution, maybe someone else knows one.

Good luck and greetings from Frank

Reply to Frank:
Thank you.

Antwort an Frank:
Vielen Dank.    :002:

Offline WaffleHouse

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Re: Removing seat when latch is not working?
« Reply #5 on: Jul 19, 2022, 09.22 PM »
*Originally Posted by Fraenkyzuma [+]
So sieht das unverkleidet aus, ich hoffe, das Foto hängt dran.

Again, translating:

This is what it looks like undisguised, I hope the photo is attached.

Yes. The photo looks good. I was able to get to the cable by the key lock by basically being destructive.  But that didn't help one bit. It looks like I need to price a new seat!
Thanks again.

Ja. Das Foto sieht gut aus. Ich konnte das Kabel durch das Schlüsselschloss erreichen, indem ich im Grunde destruktiv war. Aber das half kein bisschen. Es sieht so aus, als müsste ich einen neuen Sitz auspreisen!
Danke noch einmal. 

Offline WaffleHouse

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Re: Removing seat when latch is not working?
« Reply #6 on: Jul 23, 2022, 07.53 PM »
*Originally Posted by Resident Weevil [+]
Bloody hell Waffers, what is it with you and keys?  :745:
You might have some luck if you take off the tank. To take off the tank, first remove the sea... Oh.  :034:
Seriously I hope you get sorted. I've just had a look under my seat and I got nothing, sorry. Good luck bud, let us know how you get on.

Earlier, I had forgotten to thank you for your words of encouragement.  :002:
Thanks. Thanks a lot!

Offline WaffleHouse

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Re: Removing seat when latch is not working?
« Reply #7 on: Jul 23, 2022, 07.59 PM »
Conclusion:
After more destruction, I have fixed my problem more or less.

Recap:  My seat latch was screwed up, would keep allowing my seat to unlatch and flop about.  I recklessly adjusted it one day and it latched.  But then it would not unlatch. Seat was stuck in place.

After removing my luggage rack, I was able to pry the left side of the seat up, grab the cable near the latch (with my newly purchased extra long, bent end, needlenose pliers, only $6!), twist it about, and unlatch the seat.The cable near the key hole was messed up so I cut it and took the cable out of the sheath.So now if I pull the cable, it releases just fine.  Rather than fix it correctly, I have decided to just tie the end of the cable around a washer, and pull the washer from under the bodywork.

ASIDE:  My gf and I used to each have 2003 Suzuki Burgman 400s.  Those models were notorious for the latch release not working if operated via the OEM ignition switch up on the dash. The common "fix" was similar. Tie another cable to the release mechanism at the seat, stash the end of cable out of sight under the bodywork on the side/rear, then pull it to open the seat.  Since my poor GW250 is already much less than perfect from prior owner crashing & my non-OEM ignition switch, I do not feel too badly about this ham-fisted "fix". 
(Note that the OEM lockset appears to be "unavailable" new everywhere I've looked.)
I hope this helps someone. 
(Yeah, removing the luggage rack made the release cable at the latch a lot more accessible.  Earlier in the operation I had removed the cable at the keyhole release, but that would not unlatch the seat on my bike.) 
Thanks to everyone for thinking about the problem and offering support.  :169:

Offline Resident Weevil

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Re: Removing seat when latch is not working?
« Reply #8 on: Jul 23, 2022, 10.27 PM »
Glad you got sorted in the end mate. Rigging that backup for the seat latch cable is a great idea, I'll look into it tomorrow  :028: Thanks for that, it's the second best tip I've got from you on here. The first one being if I ever lose my keys, look under my bed before buying a new ignition switch.  :008:
Ride safe bud.

Offline WaffleHouse

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Re: Removing seat when latch is not working?
« Reply #9 on: Jul 23, 2022, 11.10 PM »
*Originally Posted by Resident Weevil [+]
it's the second best tip I've got from you on here. The first one being if I ever lose my keys, look under my bed before buying a new ignition switch.

You are hilarious!   :047:

 


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